No longer separate, not yet equal
race and class in elite college admission and campus life
by Thomas J. Espenshade · first published 2009
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…whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade."
on “Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe” ↗…+230 Hispanics: +185 Asians: –50 Recruited athletes: +200 Legacies (children of alumni): +160 In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, in their book No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal, examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university…
on “I Am Sam Altman, President of YC Group. AMA” ↗For what it's worth, this data is from 1997. (E.g., see table 3.4 from the book being discussed, No longer separate, not yet equal: race and class in elite college admission, by Espenshade et al.) Also - and this is not exactly a problem, just a methodological feature to be aware of - it appears that they produced their models by…
on “Does Diversity Punish Asians, Poor Whites and Others?” ↗…whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade. """" The gap is nowhere near that large for Wisconsin-Madison or Duke which are rather selective institutions. I bet you're only going…
on “Harvard, Princeton Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe” ↗…here's the detail: "To receive equal consideration by elite colleges, Asian Americans must outperform Whites by 140 points, Hispanics by 280 points, Blacks by 450 points in SAT (Total 1600)." From "No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life" by Thomas J. Espenshade & Alexandria Walton Radford (2009) Source: http://80-20initiative.blogspot.com/2012/03/450-point-sat-ga...
on “Kixeye fires four after investigation into allegations of racism” ↗…I'm convinced there are unofficial quotas, though naturally no university will admit it. An interesting quote from a NY Times op-ed: "The Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade wrote in his 2009 book, No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life, that 'to receive equal consideration by elite colleges, Asian Americans must outperform Whites by 140 points, Hispanics by 280 points, Blacks…
on “Soviet College Admission — My Dad's Story (1970)” ↗…ethnic and other underrepresented groups are particularly urged to apply as are those interested in studying the importance of diversity in the nation's media to this country's future well being. From No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life by Espenshade and Radford: https://imgur.com/a/UnLjMY7 > The black preference at public schools is equivalent on average to 3.8 ACT points.…