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• schlagetown · Nov 9, 2015 · Recommends

  …Mind (Shunryu Suzuki) Deschooling Society (Ivan Illich) Moby Dick (Herman Melville) Bolo'Bolo (P.M.) Le Ton beau de Marot (Douglas Hofstadter) Gaia: A New Look at Life on Earth (James Lovelock) Mouse or Rat: Translation as Negotiation (Umberto Eco) Neuromancer (William Gibson) The Intelligent Investor (Benjamin Graham) Don Quixote (Miguel Cervantes)

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• aardvark179 · May 9, 2016 · Recommends

  I would also recommend Eco's own Mouse or Rat: Translation As Negotiation.

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• bodhi · May 4, 2014 · Mentions

  …written, if they were writing fluently in the target language. [...] If a pun doesn't work in the target language, a fluent writer would have used a different pun, but how do you know which? Umberto Eco, in Mouse Or Rat?[1], describes two different approaches to translation, (I'm paraphrasing here) source vs. target. Your example is a good one, but it actually only touches on grammatical differences. There are cultural…

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• marsupial · Jun 1, 2025 · Mentions

  …Chancellor is already character because he exists as a person in story? Regardless, we can speak about characters without their names, even without speaking, that is what I mean. I have anecdote Umberto Eco Mouse or Rat to match re literal "In his notes to a recent Italian translation of Moby Dick the translator, Bernardo Draghi, spends three pages apropos the famous opening line, Call me Ishmael. Previous Italian translators…

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