Ghettoside
a true story of murder in America
by Jill Leovy · first published 2015
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The book Ghettoside by Jill Leovy goes into that in quite a bit of detail. Her conclusion - yes, very much, with a strong overlap between community and extended family. An excellent book.
on “‘No One Saw a Thing’: When a Midwest Town Banded Together to Kill the Town Bully” ↗The problems of appropriate policing in so-called "high crime" neighborhoods are well understood. Many academic studies, as well as popular non-fiction like Jill Leovy's Ghettoside and Chris Hayes' Colony in a Nation, have discussed the issue. To sum up the literature in a few sentences, the problem is that minority neighborhoods are both overpoliced and underpoliced. There are…
on “Machine learning is fundamentally conservative” ↗…something." Since the police do not know who is responsible and witnesses refuse to talk, the police take the path of least resistance and lock up whoever they can on drug charges. I recommend the books "Ghettoside" and "Don't Shoot" for more on these issues. Do you know what Ockham's razor is? The elephant in the room is that black ghetto communities do not self-police and have a dire problem of particular senseless…
on “Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American Lawyers” ↗…massive poverty problems. But it had homicide rates a tiny fraction that of modern Baltimore. Why do the U.S. inner cities have so many more homicides than any slum in China or India? Read the book Ghettoside or Don't Shoot. Crime happens when people can get away with it. Crime happens when cultural and legal sanctions against crime don't get enforced.
on “Teaching Youth to Think ‘Slow’ May Help Reduce Crime” ↗Have you read Ghettoside? That's pretty much the case it makes about crime in poor African American neighborhoods: governments have done a bad job catching violent offenders there, so people living there take justice into their…
on “The High Cost of Low-level Crime in San Francisco” ↗…volunteering in such communities. Also just reading the local news. Also reading lots of ethnographies. Go read American Millstone (http://www.amazon.com/American-Millstone-Examination-Permane...) or Ghettoside and maybe you will rethink those scare quotes. I'm not sure how "void of civilization" is an unfair label for what is described in those books. There were white (mostly Irish) inner city areas with a…
on “Who’s to Blame for Mass Incarceration?” ↗…missing. Kids are raised from the cradle to the jail-cell without civilizing influences of parental discipline, good peer influences, and peer role models. Again, read American Millstone, or The Corner or Ghettoside. That is what I mean by a void of civilization.
on “Who’s to Blame for Mass Incarceration?” ↗There's a great book on ~roughly this topic - Ghettoside, by Jill Leovy. The thesis is that police in some cities (her work is in LA, but I lived in Chicago for a while and the idea transfers seamlessly) do an abysmal job of solving homicides. That has all…
on “King County, WA bans facial recognition software” ↗…pretty consistently, with (at best) mixed results. Under Rahm, at one point (may still be true), CPD was paying boatloads of money in overtime to saturate violent neighborhoods. C) That said, the book Ghettoside makes the really convincing argument that neighborhoods like the ones under discussion in Chicago simultaneously suffer from under- and over-policing. There's a massive police presence in much of the…
on “60 people shot in Chicago over the weekend” ↗I haven't been to Baltimore, but this book, Ghettoside, tells a story about how the police in Watts and South Central LA, with their hands tied, tried to balance policing, justice and community engagement. So much similarity to what is happening in B'more.…
on “The Tragedy of Baltimore” ↗I'd be curious what you think of "Ghettoside" - a book from the left that examines the claims implied by your linked comic about the nature of the suffering we are trying to prevent: https://www.vox.com/2016/8/26/12631962/ghettoside-jill-leovy...
on “You can't censor away extremism or any other problem” ↗…https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196519.Confessions_of_a_... Politics: - Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Desmond, Matthew, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25852784-evicted - Ghettoside: A True Story of Murder in America by Leovy, Jill, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13153693-ghettoside - American Prison: A Reporter's Undercover Journey into the Business of Punishment by Bauer,…
on “Ask HN: Best books you've read in 2019?” ↗…https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36589701-the-perfect-pre... Politics: - Evicted: Poverty and Profit in the American City by Desmond, Matthew, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25852784-evicted - Ghettoside: A True Story of Murder in America by Leovy, Jill, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13153693-ghettoside - American Prison: A Reporter's Undercover Journey into the Business of Punishment by Bauer,…
on “Ask HN: Favorite Nonfiction Books of 2019?” ↗…margin the safety net to reboot their career/job into something more productive rather than destructive behavior they might otherwise fall into. I got this insight from the end chapters of the book "Ghettoside", where the author describes US social security payments to those who are "disabled" as the closest the US has today to a non-universal basic income. Coal miners who are no longer able to work because…
on “What Is the Point of Universal Basic Income?” ↗It's not just the Warren Court, the other big problem is witness intimidation and the "don't snitch" ethic makes it very hard to convict people for murder, so drug cases are used as a proxy. From "Ghettoside: A True Story of Murder in America": ----------- This was how Coughlin did his job on many a night. Coughlin couldn’t do much about all the shooters in Southeast who got away with it. But he could enforce…
on “Policing, Mass Imprisonment, and the Failure of American Lawyers” ↗